Heater kit

[Robertmx3]

Hee Guys,

What are the important things I should keep an eye on when buying a heater kit for my nitrous bottle?

In winter my bottle pressure is only 500psi and doesn't warm up that quickly

But in the summer it's high 70's degrees out here and my bottle is mounted under a big window (probably will act like a magnifying glass)

[hammered54]

they all seem like good heater's i.e. NOS, NX ect. just use the thermostat and all should be good.
Matt.

[Robertmx3]

But will it release pressure when my bottle would get to hot in the summer?

[mrr23]

NX makes what's called a fire n ice kit.

http://www.nitrousexpress.com/images/products/SPEED00022.jpg

[hammered54]

I was going to mention that one, but I have no exp. with it as to how well it work's.
seem's there has been some like's and dislike's right here on this board in the past.
Matt.

[Robertmx3]

The fire and ice kit is in a total other catergory than other heats isn't it?

[hammered54]

The fire and ice kit is in a total other catergory than other heats isn't it?
it would seem so, might be just what your looking for.

[Robertmx3]

It looks good, but it's a little bit pricy

[Robertmx3]

Do we have some nice site sponsors or vendors who can offer me something good?

[Wild83C10]

Robert56 has some used ones for sale and he might have some on his site.

[Wild83C10]

Or you could just get a NANO kit and not worry about your bottle pressure.

[hammered54]

http://img242.imageshack.us/img242/5817/2s6vrls1pa7.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

[srsnow]

My experience with the fire and ice set up is that it works ok in temperate climates. Meaning if it is always 75-80 degrees out it works fine. If it get colder or warmer than that and it stop being as effective.

[JAMZ87SS]

http://img242.imageshack.us/img242/5817/2s6vrls1pa7.jpg (http://imageshack.us)



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[JAMZ87SS]

I have a bottle heater on my short list, but I really don't have much need for it here in florida. Maybe one month out of a season. Thats why I haven't really picked one up yet. Hell even nighttime test and tunes when the season gets going are 95 degrees at night .

[Robertmx3]

Or you could just get a NANO kit and not worry about your bottle pressure.

?? what is so special about this?

[Wild83C10]

Not sure Hammered wants to hear about it again. Oh well.

What do you have against NANO Hammered?

It maintains bottle pressure by using nitrogen or compressed air. No need to wait for the heater to heat up the bottle and the pressure will be maintained throughout the whole run. Even when the N2O bottle gets low you still get the right pressure.

[hammered54]

Not sure Hammered wants to hear about it again. Oh well.

What do you have against NANO Hammered?

It maintains bottle pressure by using nitrogen or compressed air. No need to wait for the heater to heat up the bottle and the pressure will be maintained throughout the whole run. Even when the N2O bottle gets low you still get the right pressure.
nothing realy, just don't think it's worth the money for what it does, plus it's not legal in NHRA,IHRA, or a few other body's.
I drag race at the track not the street, if you can't keep the pressure up for 8/9sec. or so you got other thing's to think about.
I could think of many other thing's to spend what little money I have on beside "nano".
Matt.

[Wild83C10]

I hear what you are saying Hammered and that is what a lot of people are saying. They already have a lot of money tied up in heaters and the extra bottles so why spend the extra money to switch. However, I never spent the money on a heater so it really wasn't that much more.

So your pressure doesn't drop by the end of the track? or you don't know if it does or not.

Is the NANO system not legal or is it a push system?

For the guys that have switched they said they would never go back to a heater warming tanks ect.

One caveat with the NANO is that once the bottle temp goes above 80 it shouldn't be used.

[Robert56]

Or you could just get a NANO kit and not worry about your bottle pressure.
I agree. Once everyone totally understands the real life benifits of the NANO technology, well the heaters will fall off in popularity and remain only a stop gap method of trying to get a correct bottle pressure. Both my used kits sold right away, so the heaters aren't dead yet, lol.
Robert

EDIT: By the way, NANO is being excepted at all tracks and sactioning bodies and the rumor now is it is legal. NANO has stated they are working closely with NHRA and getting them to underwstand this is not a push system like those of past, so there is no safety issue like before.

Here's some NANO info for the original poster if you would like to learn more. You guys would really be surprised at the BIG names from yellow bullet that are currently testing/running NANO and all postive input so far. In my 30 years of nitrous use, I believe the NANO technology to be the biggest break thru to hit the n2o world. Somewhat of an investment, but for any serious nitrous head it will become a must have item, just like heaters are now. It's one of the things that is going tolet the spray cars start catching the turbo cars as there is no more fall off in power on the top end like a bottle heater set-up and you will have the exact same tune each and every time. But again, the heater is the best stop gap method if one cannot afford a NANO kit yet.
http://www.robertsnitrousservice.com/nanonitroassistwebstore.htm

[Robertmx3]

It looks very nice those Nano kits...

But like Robert said, to expensive for a non-nitrous addict.

@ Robert... Don't you have a nice heater kit that you can sell me?

[Robert56]

Both of the used kits I had are sold, but I can get you a new if you like?
Robert

[Robertmx3]

Could you give me a quote for a heater kit with pressure switch shipped to The Netherlands?

[Robert56]

Do you have a zip code or a postal number?
Robert

[Robertmx3]

zipcode is "5931 DV" (yes, numbers and letters)

[hammered54]

you may want to go back and read the rule book again, NOT LEAGAL in nhra , ihra,then after that you need to walk the staging lane's and look in ANY top sportsman car, pro mod, or any of head's up class's and tell me how many nano system's you see..............none.
and I go to the bullet as much as I do here and I don't see what you talking about.
now I not trying to start a pissing contest here but you need to get your fact's right.
nano may be "cool" and all but it's been around for a long time a long time in one fashion or another.
now I just don't think it's worth the money vs. a heater. one cost about a $100.00 or so the other cost $500.00 or so. that's my take on it.

[Robertmx3]

What would be the difference between these heaters??

http://store.summitracing.com/partdetail.asp?autofilter=1&part=EDL%2D72700&N=700+115&autoview=sku

http://store.summitracing.com/partdetail.asp?autofilter=1&part=NOS%2D14162NOS&N=700+115&autoview=sku

[hammered54]

price.

[Robertmx3]

One says Pressure controlled and the other Thermostatically controlled what is the difference between them?

[srsnow]

Actually the NOS one is just the heating element there is no relay or thermostat in it. The 14164 is the one to look at or 14169 if you want the one with the pressure switch.

[hammered54]

it said all the wiring , theromostat, ect. came with it... but who know's
I paid $125.00 for my NOS heater from my local shop and it came with everything.
Matt.

[srsnow]

Yeah the 14162 is just the element, if you look at the notes it says it is a replacment element only. It is confusing because they don't make it real clear what it is. If you have another relay laying around you can get just the element and build your own kit and maybe save a few bucks.

[Robert56]

you may want to go back and read the rule book again, NOT LEAGAL in nhra , ihra,then after that you need to walk the staging lane's and look in ANY top sportsman car, pro mod, or any of head's up class's and tell me how many nano system's you see..............none.
and I go to the bullet as much as I do here and I don't see what you talking about.
now I not trying to start a pissing contest here but you need to get your fact's right.
nano may be "cool" and all but it's been around for a long time a long time in one fashion or another.
now I just don't think it's worth the money vs. a heater. one cost about a $100.00 or so the other cost $500.00 or so. that's my take on it.
You would actually be surprised at the big names from the Bullet that are actually running/testing the NANO. There was great NANO thread there months back where all of the NHRA stuff was covered. What most do not understand is nano is not a push system, and that is what the rule was for. the original push systems were very dangerous and thus the NHRA rules. they don't actually apply to NANO. From what NANO has been saying, the NHRA is actuyally approving the NANO systems. The only reason you don't see them much, yet, is the fact that most think like you do that this is old news. it's totally different technology compared to the push systems of old. I know of hundreds, many hundreds that are running the NANO and have never heard of one getting banned from the track. They all have good reports. So you not liking it doesn't matter, it still works much better than heaters, facts are facts. :sofa: :specool:
Robert

[hammered54]

it's got nothing to do with me liking it, in my opinion it's not all that cost effective for drag racing, and the rule book say's ..any.
post one person in the pro rank's using it please

[96HALX]

I thought NANO was about 500 bucks? If that's the case, is there a hidden cost somewhere; if not, nitrous isn't really cost effective for drag racing either. The cost effectiveness really relates to the size of the shot a person is running too. If it's a 50 shot, a heater would be a much better choice; however, if someone is running 300-400 hp shot, NANO would be fairly cost effective and offer a better performance. (I could be wrong on the price of NANO though, so this is all speculative)

[Robertmx3]

Could somebody give me the length of a blow down tube?

[srsnow]

The NOS one is about 21" long.

[Robertmx3]

Thank you

Is that measured with the bend in it, or without?

[JAMZ87SS]

My NX tube also measures appx 21" from the fitting to the end of the tube. That is the total length of tubing, bend included. HTH
Jamie

[srsnow]

The NOS one is from the bend down, so over all length is longer

[Robertmx3]

Oke, thanks so much :)

Just a last question. Will any tube fit any fitting?
I am using a coldfusion nitrous bottle

[srsnow]

As long as it is 8AN it should work

[Robertmx3]

Oeps, this was supposed to go into the Blow down tube topic.

Is it 8AN?? I thought it would be a 6AN?

[srsnow]

Yeah everyone I have ever seen has been 8AN

[fisher250]

i have a small nitrous /speed shop and these are what i sell everybody that is new/ or ppl that want something simple to get

gotsqueeze.com

[Robertmx3]

Does it matter where you put the thermostaat for the heater kit?

Do you have to put it in the middle of the blanket, on the top etc??

[hammered54]

I put mine just under the velcro strap away from the element.

[Robertmx3]

What about other people??

And why have you choosen to put it under the velcro strap?

[hammered54]

to get the true reading of the bottle.
if you put it under the element it's turn's off the heater as soon as it get's hot.
Matt.

[Bald Eagle]

Just want to clear up some issues here. Sorry I got to the party so late. But this is the way we see it. Have at it.



ARE NANO REGULATORS PUSH SYSTEMS?

HOW WE VIEW IT!
NANO NITROUS LLC
05/25/09

When NANO Technology was first released over two years ago in January of 2007 there were many skeptics. Some said its a Push System, they already tried Push Systems, and “it will not work”, others said our product was “simply a marketing gimmick”. Today, the NANO Regulators are a proven product with over a thousand NANO nitrous systems operating in races around the world.

We have solved the age old problem that plagues nitrous systems – maintaining consistent flow of nitrous form the nitrous bottle. No more nitrous performance problems due to nitrous pressure and temperature changes. NANO Technology eliminates the power loss associated with nitrous as the cars move down track.

Many sanctioning bodies have now formally accepted NANO’s nitrous regulation technology. WCHRA, PSCA, NMRA, NMCA, VAMP, and others, as we understnad it, have approved our technology for all their nitrous classes. I am only aware of one sanctioning bodie that have formally disallowed the NANO technology. The first is the Texas True Ten Five. I am ot aware of any others that have declined this technology at tech inspection. I guess the question is Why would they disallow this technology and force it onto the street?

You may or may not like the price of the NANO Technology, but at least recognize that NANO uses a new technology. It’s a true advance in managing nitrous flow out of a nitrous bottle. Prices start at $399, but you get many benefits simply not available with a bottle heater.

Let me explain what makes our systems different from a Push system.

The best definition we could find for a Push System was in a 20 year old patent application filed by William Wheatley, titled FUEL CHARGING SYSTEM FOR HIGH PERFORMANCE VEHICLES. We assume this is the true definition, as this is who our detractors keep referencing.

The underlying principal behind Wheatley’s Patent was to elevate the nitrous oxide bottle pressure using an outside source of nitrogen pressure from an external vessel to push the nitrous oxide out of the bottle. In his patent application he states the push system is based on maintaining “a high pressure blanket of gas above the nitrous oxide in the cylinder to force the nitrous oxide from the cylinder …at a constant and sustained rate eliminating the … rapid drop in the supply of pressure …as the supply of nitrous oxide is dissipated from the ...cylinder.” (Patent #4,494,488)

There were high hopes for the Push System, but the unfortunate fact is that the Push Systems did not perform as claimed. Performance was unpredictable, they were difficult to tune, and the technology resulted in a lot of damage to engines. They fell into disfavor and were eventually outlawed in most racing classes.


NANO’s methodology (Pending Patent) is based on a completely different science. We do not use elevated pressure to force nitrous out of the bottle. The only similarity between the Push technology and the NANO technology is that both use and external bottle of pressurized gas (nitrogen and or air). The way we use the energy in the external bottle is completely different.

What makes NANO different?

Three primary factors determine the flow of nitrous from a nitrous bottle; nitrous temperature, bottle pressure, and nitrous density. NANO integrates the control of all three of these factors and does this without elevating the nitrous bottle pressure. Because it controls all three factors, the NANO is able to deliver absolutely consistent and repeatable nitrous flow (lbs/sec) every time the solenoid opens.

A NANO based nitrous system is not a Push System because it does not use elevated bottle pressure to force (Push) the nitrous from the nitrous bottle. In fact a NANO system enabled nitrous system utilizes the natural forces of nitrous to flow nitrous from the bottle.

You may want to argue with me about technology, but from a practical point, the difference between our technology and a Push System is that the NANO technology works as advertised. The NANO Technology is a field proven product that not only delivers consistent and repeatable flows of nitrous from the bottle every trip down the track, but also brings a wide list of other benefits to the nitrous racer. As a result we have a loyal following of satisfied customers and sales continue to increase, even in this down economy. Hundreds of our systems are operating in races around the world. NANO user testimonials are spread throughout the forums. Our technology works flawlessly. Push Systems, even after 20 years, have never worked as advertised.

With the NANO technology comes many other racer benefits including eliminating the bottle heater and having the nitrous bottle race-ready as soon as the NANO regulator is turned on. – no more delays to heat the bottle. The system also will double the number of passes down the track for a nitrous bottle.

Not only does NANO perform as advertised, it has been design to be safe. Our NANO Cylinders are DOT and Transport Canada certified, our regulator is protected from regulator failure with both a high pressure burst disk, all the fittings and lines are designed to spec. Each kit comes with a user manual, on-line web support, and free telephone support.

By the way NHRA does allow NANO Technology in some classes. We have requests in now to have the NANO Technology approved in any class that allows bottle heaters. We are also in similar conversations with ORSCA and ADRL.

Is NANO a perfect solution for all nitrous installation? Of course not. But its an alternative that achieves consistency and repeatable performance that no other nitrous system can match. Is it available for all sizes of nitrous installations. Not yet. Currently our largest system is limited to supporting up to 5lbs of nitrous flow per nitrous bottle per second - about 550 nitrous horsepower. Systems are being tested at higher levels using the NX and NS nitrous tank ball valves.




NANO NITROUS LLC
05/25/09

[Bald Eagle]

nothing realy, just don't think it's worth the money for what it does, plus it's not legal in nhra,ihra, or a few other body's.
I drag race at the track not the street, if you can't keep the pressure up for 8/9sec. Or so you got other thing's to think about.
I could think of many other thing's to spend what little money i have on beside "nano".
Matt.

NANOs apppoved by NHRA for ET, Advanced ET, Top Sportsman, Top Dragster, and Cometition Eliminator A/PM

Tom Darnell Sr.
NANO NITROUS LLC

[Robertmx3]

Anyways..

I bought an Edelbrock from summit and it works great :)

[hammered54]

good... now take the the other 400/500 plus dollars you saved and take the old lady out to dinner and drink's, bet you'll have more fun after too!
Matt.

[hammered54]

NANOs apppoved by NHRA for ET, Advanced ET, Top Sportsman, Top Dragster, and Cometition Eliminator A/PM

Tom Darnell Sr.
NANO NITROUS LLC



1:9 NITROUS OXIDE
Nitrous oxide permitted in all classes except All Motor. The use of
any agents other than nitrous oxide as part of, or mixed with, this
pressurized fuel system is strictly prohibited. All bottles must be
securely mounted, stamped with minimum DOT-1800-pound rating,
and identified as nitrous oxide. Nitrous oxide bottle(s) located in
driver compartment must be equipped with a relief valve and
vented outside of compartment. System must be commercially
available and installed per manufacturer’s recommendations.
Commercially available, thermostatically controlled blanket-type
warmer accepted. Any other external heating of bottle(s)
prohibited.

realy???

NITROUS OXIDE
Commercially available nitrous oxide permitted, including for
supercharged and turbocharged engines. Nitrous bottle(s) in driver
compartment must be equipped with a relief valve and vented
outside of driver’s compartment. Bottle(s) must be stamped with a
DOT-1800-pound rating and permanently mounted (no hose
clamps or tie wraps). Hoses from bottle(s) to solenoid must be
high-pressure steel-braided or NHRA-accepted hoses.
Commercially available, thermostatically controlled, blanket-type
warmer accepted. Any other external heating of bottle(s)
prohibited. See General Regulations 1:9.

sportsman class! would you like me to go on? I will thank's
NITROUS OXIDE
Commercially available nitrous oxide permitted, including for
supercharged and turbocharged engines. Nitrous bottle(s) in driver
compartment must be equipped with a relief valve and vented
outside of driver’s compartment. Bottle(s) must be stamped with a
DOT-1800-pound rating and permanently mounted (no hose
clamps or tie wraps). Hoses from bottle(s) to solenoid must be
high-pressure steel-braided or NHRA-accepted hoses.
Commercially available, thermostatically controlled, blanket-type
warmer accepted. Any other external heating of bottle(s)
prohibited. See General Regulations 1:9. Applications utilizing EFIstyle
manifold are permitted any multi-stage nitrous system,
including dual-stage plates and/or dual-stage foggers used in
combination. Applications utilizing carb-style manifold, limited to
single stage fogger (maximum one nozzle per cylinder) or dualstage
nitrous plate(s). Nitrous oxide entries restricted to two (1)
10-pound nitrous bottles or one 15-pound nitrous bottle. Nitrous
supply line may be any size. Push systems prohibited.

well there it is in black and white right from the rule book ( glad I learned to cut and paste) sportsman's class's and all the other I coud find right up to top dragster.... and nowhere did it say one thing about NANO...

oh and over on the bullet for whoever said that... there are very few that think it's worth it ( very few) , don't get me wrong there are a few that use it sure but worth it ???? go there .. ask the big guy's..
it might work but it's not worth it in my book.
Matt.
http://i28.tinypic.com/14kva0x.jpg

[Bald Eagle]

http://i307.photobucket.com/albums/nn305/nanonitrous/NHRA-NANOAPPROVALLETTER.jpg

So you don't believe me. We really don't care if you don't like the NANO technology, but we do care that you try and imply my post was a lie. It's not very becomming to a moderator. Man up to your mistake. Believe it.

Thomas E. Darnell
MANAGER
NANO NITROUS LLC.
785-331-2390.

[mrr23]

he did in this post you just above where you put the image of the letter you receive in NHRA.
http://nitrousforum.com/forums/showthread.php?p=20055#post20055

[hammered54]

^^thank you.^^
now to the point.. where did I call you a liar? it's not in the book as of yet (books been out for awhile) that letter is dated 7/ 02 /09. what that? last week?
and "man up''...just callin it like I see it.
Matt.

[mrr23]

hey hammered what's a malibu wagom?

[hammered54]

hey hammered what's a malibu wagom?

this is a malibu wagon!

http://i28.tinypic.com/zl7y21.jpg

a G body is that what you asked?......... oh I see it now wagom! ????????????

[mrr23]

well, in your sig it says wagom. so i didn't know if it was a special edition...

[hammered54]

fixed... and yes it's special

[mrr23]

i figured it was. just like it's owner, special....

[hammered54]

I guess I should check my spelling better.

[mrr23]

eh well you know