Best bang for the buck?

[skeetn11's]

What system do you guys feel is the best bang for the buck, im going to be getting a plate system here in the next couple of weeks, i was looking at a zex perimeter system, and i would like some opinions, this is going to be my first system, what assc will i need along with the system, i have a piston style fuel pump for my sbc so i will be getting plenty of fuel, im going to be getting a wide open trottle switch, and fuel pressure safety switch, ive got an all forged motor, is a purge vavle a must have to get started and a bottle heater, and which msd timing retard system should i get, but any safety assc you guys think ill need let me know. thanks for your time

[Jeff]

One vote for Harris Speed Works (HSW).

Purge is a must have. HSW Interface is trick for fueling (timing retard). MicroEdge controller has multiple uses (includes fpss).

[Robert56]

We need info on your car. what make model, engine, size, mods, fuel system and all that. Most put that info in their sigs so that way everyone else can always see what your building and running. I have a vote of HSW also, but you mention SBC so I assume that you have a carurator? So another product may be needed, like Ny-trex and they are a site sponsor and I carry their stuff as well.

I can help you set up a kit if you like? However, like always we will give any info regarless and help if we can and not dependant on buying something. :D

By the way, welcome to the site, enjoy. We are trying to make the site the premier nitrous site on the Internet and growing daily. ther will be many guys that will help out here in different ways. hammer is kind of our Carb go to guy, and am sure he will be here later.
Robert

[hammered54]

welcome to the show!
what type of manifold are you using?
that plate sound's like a winner on a single plane, haven't used it myself maybe someday.
as far as a retard box go's any of the MSD box's work great I've used a few diff. one's, at this time I'm using the 3 stage box for 2 kit's and high speed retard (3rd gear).
if you don't allready have a ing. box the newer digital stuff like the 6 & 7 would be perfect as they have alot of the featcher's(sp) already build in.
it'd be kind'a cool to know a little more about the motor and tranz.
Matt.

[skeetn11's]

3300 pound malibu, 12 point cage, 406, 4340 crank, h beam rods,srp piston,11-1 compression, weind team g intake, brodix track 1 heads, msd 6al box, blaster 2 coil, msd dist,herbert nitrous roller cam part #c6kf 288int-299exh, @50 250-261, .598-.625 vavle lift, 112 lobe seperation.8 an line from cell to pump, pump is mechanical piston pump, from there i have 1 to 4 line regulater, one of the line is going to the carb the other to the nitrous system, the other two will be blocked off, 1000 cfm race demon carb i know its big but it worked amazing on the old setup, t400 tranny, 8 in coan converter, reverse manual valve body, if you need anything else let me know, thanks

[hammered54]

sound's a lot like my ride,lol..... cept mine's a wagon.

tell me more about this regulator, how do you adjust the pressure for the two system's if it's one regulator?

you may need a seperate reg (you will) for the nitrous to keep it in tune. a simple holley 803 will work perfectly.
Matt.

[JAMZ87SS]

Sounds like a nice set-up. PICS?????

[skeetn11's]

your right about the regulator i was going to see which system was going to need the most fuel pressure then put a second regulator on the less of the two, i know the fuel is only going to need around 9 psi,and the regualtor is a mallory part # 650-4300m in the jegs, i got it for 50 bucks at the races on day, its a nice piece.

[Jeff]

One vote for Harris Speed Works (HSW).

Purge is a must have. HSW Interface is trick for fueling (timing retard). MicroEdge controller has multiple uses (includes fpss).

Above is EFI stuff. You've got our resident Uber-Carb expert in Matt. Use him wisely! :)

[skeetn11's]

So Matt what do you think?

[JAMZ87SS]

I'm pleased w/ my nx gemini twin stage 6. A quality product, not too much money, and plenty of room to grow. http://www.nitrousexpress.com/Pages/TwinStg6.htm
I have seen a few of their other kits , and they seem real nice as well.
Just my .02 :),
Jamie

[skeetn11's]

so its kinda like the zex permeter system no bars it goes across the plate? I can pick up zex permeter system brand new in the box for $453.00, from my buddy's speed shop, i'll have to have him check on the price of the nx gemini twin stage. now being its called a twin stage is a two stage system, i didnt read that it was on the link you posted Jamie.

[hammered54]

I like the idea of the perimeter plate but can't say I care much for the noid's in box thingie...lol.

so the NX like above or a good old NOS cheater system would be my choice, unless you want to put a kit together then buy the perimeter plate from Zex and noid's from any of the major Co. i.e. NX, NOS, but get the big one's and be done with it.
it may cost a little more (or less) but you'd have a killer system that you could tune from 50hp to 250+
that's what I'd do!
Matt.

[JAMZ87SS]

Yeah , I'm not into the whole "box" deal. The kit I have(and posted)has the large noids. If ya just want a "cheap, gimme the hit" nitrous set-up NOS sells the sniper kits, but they have sh!t bottle valves and solonoids. Spend a little more and you'll be set for a long time. W/ quality shtuff. Now I'm not even close to dialed in N/A yet, but the 150 pills in my NX kit dropped over 1.5 seconds off my ET. That was just my starting point , I can't wait to hit the 200 pills :) . The choice is yours :)
Good luck,
Jamie

[JAMZ87SS]

Oh, and yeah the name is deceiving, it is a SINGLE stage, perimiter plate. Not sure why they call it "twin"

[Robert56]

Stick with a perimeter style plate. The old school bar style plates often end up with a four corner lean issue on single plains. The NX kit is pretty good, and I have chose the NX Stage 6 noids for my 2nd and 3rd stage.

The only problem with NX noids is they are almost to good. Their older big noids can draw up to 20amps, that is great in one sense, very power full, but in the other corner this equals shorter life. Now what the amp draw is on the newer stage 6 noids i don't know, but plan on finding out. The other thing to point out is stage 6 noids are aluminum bodied, where as all others are SS. Over a period of time I don't know yet if this will be an issue, but any aluminum or brass fitting will end up corroded with that white powered stuff.

I do like the big SS 3-port noids that HSW offers, nice and strong with a reasonable amperage draw. I run two of these on my 1st stage DP. All of the plate kits now come with the big noids, and I agree, stay away from the small wimpy noids.
Robert

[skeetn11's]

the box you guys are talking about is that the zex purple box that is used instead of the noids right, i think thats what your talking about. the perimeter system doesnt actually come with the box you get actual noids that run the system, i did notice that the warranty on the zex stuff is only good for a year on the other hand the nx system has a lifetime warranty on there stuff. im going to have my buddy price the system.

[skeetn11's]

and yes i dont want a cheaper system on the price side , but im not going to sacerfise quality, i only like to spend money once, so no no cheater system, i apperciate you guys taking the time to answer my questions and giving your input.

[hammered54]

there is nothing wrong the cheater system, it come's with the largest fuel noid and the nitrous noid will support up to 250+ hp, also there s/s body's.the bottle also has the hyflow valve which is important.
but for the most part all the major noid's are made by the peter paul Co. so in realaty just get the largest s/s niod's you can afford and be done with it, and the big one's come with the teflon seal too.

good luck, and keep us posted, Matt.


oh, by the way how was it you found us? just curious(sp)

[81 olds]

if your not conserned(sp) with cost why not go with a fogger? a fogger will give you way more ways to tune. you can tune with f/p and if you have one cylinder that needs more/less fuel you can change the jet in that cylinder. also if you go with a dig 7 you can adjust timming on each cylinder too.

[hammered54]

that would be the way to do it!
if I was to start over 10yr's ago and knew what I know today I would have gone this way for sure.
Matt.

[JAMZ87SS]

My next kit will be a fogger :) I just wanted the ease of slapping a plate on this motor. Next one will be built around the juice.

[Robert56]

You guys must be talking about a direct port kit, as the Fogger system? Why I mention this is the fact that a fogger system on a LSx based platform is a "Fogger" nozzle or dual nozzles in the CAI neck. DP wet or dry, is the way to go for serious spraying I do agree. however, a little pricey for many. So plates are the next best option for most platforms. I think the nozzles in the neck are the last choice, lol, a dated technology, imo.
Robert

[skeetn11's]

hey guys on the malibu forum i go on i posted on there asking there opinion on which system they would go with and there saying go with a edelbrock system, have you guys ever heard anything good with there stuff?

[hammered54]

they have some good system's for sure.

[Robert56]

hey guys on the malibu forum i go on i posted on there asking there opinion on which system they would go with and there saying go with a edelbrock system, have you guys ever heard anything good with there stuff?
Edelbrock stuff is fine. They just don't push it much in the late model EFI world and/or on the forums. So we don't hear about them much. That may be changing soon though.
Robert

[skeetn11's]

well guys i did what i was never planning on doing, and got a fogger, there was a post on maliburaceing for some stuff and there was a fogger, i got a sportsman fogger, blow down tube, nitrous purge, and 64 jets for 500 bucks. the only problem with it is that it was setup for a big block so i have to cut down the bars, the outter ports are off a half an inch or so i know ill have to shortin then, but the inner ports on the intake are on the out side of the cirles does it matter if its not directly in the middle of the circle on the intake or can it be anywhere in the circle?

[hammered54]

what circle are you talking about?

now if your talking about where you need to drill the hole for the nozzel, there is a propper place for it.

Matt.

[mrr23]

he might be talking about the flat dimple they put on intakes to guide you where to put nozzles near the head side of the intake runner.

[skeetn11's]

thats them